[Mormons and Evolution] 1/05/2006 07:15:37 AM
I just lost my little long comment,so here is a condensed version!Very condensed.(not any more,but different)
Hello all,
I seem to find a lot of mind disturbance in the bloggs and comments!I do not feel confused myself(my friends may not agree).I see no problem with God as the creater going to the table and making a few parallell shots,maybe for knowledgeable reasons he did not want to connect all in one chain,and scientists are looking for chains of course.It is important for all sciences to discuss ideas!Actually discussion in itself -if carried out in a sivilised way is always a good, and can only lead to good.Some small,minor thing from the discussion may lead to grand thinking in theory at least!Anyway,back to evolution.Paradigms in science go through revolutions sometimes and this alter the ruling view-s,however,the content or processes in the previous discussion to support a paradigm of its day may be the necessary part to bring on the new"truth".So as far as I can see,there can be viewpoints diametrical opposite that still supports truth,maybe not the same at the same time,but still truths in one form or another-even if it is just a minor point.If I teach art to amateur groups and to very experienced you would think I was not talking about the same subject!Do not use white-keep it back,leave white and black out altogether etc,to the other-try white even at the first stroke!!!Both may be true depending on the circumstances!So it is with God ,I am sure.He has the right to use the best commentary in the context he is making it,and he knows how to do it.(I am now assuming there is a God)
He also has the right like even any small creator as me(artist)to enjoy the creative prosess!Why should he not-part of this is calculated chance,the detailed result cannot be seen as it is not made,but the very detailed general idea is pretty accurately understood visually,and results although still able to encourage and delight are not out of control nor unplanned.The "mormon God"is not a robot!However,there is plan in all undertaking,and evolutionary processes would be used where seen fit in the creations of the worlds as well,I am sure.Why is it difficult?Oh,yes -Adam- seems a strange one.Why really.God must be allowed to arrange a different development for a special species-man.Their development and evolution prosess of sorts have gone before-before the earth and planets in our system even,they have a different landing on earth planned because of their pre-existence background.The brain is vastly developed,they already have language experience and great communicative experience as well.
They are according to scriptures able to understand and take part in serious democratic prosesses already.
I cannot see why science and religion cannot just discuss freely together and separately and now and then some small detail from either discussion will fall into place and give a better and truer picture of things.As long as we are aware that it is discussion and analyses not to prove wrong but to find truths!In this case all positive sensible research will over time add to the total picture,and all serious religious research and beliefs will in time add also.Still there are for religions certain absolutes,God does exist,but maybe he has not been understood totally.I feel that informed members of the church welcome all research which has the intention of honest research,however,may be not aware that a lot of research is only concerned with trying to prove their paradigm!On the other hand if they did not do this,the test of the paradigm would not happen and a new truth never be promoted!In terms of a critical revolution.Look more at art guys?and see the great width of this area,still all is giving insights.
And one could not do without the other.
Darwins reveolution has provided researchers with "endless"material and it is fantastic in its own right.However,why should it be so difficult to believe that a God Almighty would understand more and that the impossible dis-connections between science and religions maybe do not exist if one views it from another angle.All discussion is good,just do not think any of you knows it all,and moreso written discussion is best!And printed discussion better still so it can be pondered upon in front of TV-we do not want to miss that!!The problem is that science is not discussed enough in details on TV-and maybe it is made too popular when it is...Here is a job for you scientist people.God will be just fine with all of it as long as we don't resort to belittling each other in the name of any belief.
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Posted by Anonymous to Mormons and Evolution at 1/05/2006 07:15:37 AM
Hello all,
I seem to find a lot of mind disturbance in the bloggs and comments!I do not feel confused myself(my friends may not agree).I see no problem with God as the creater going to the table and making a few parallell shots,maybe for knowledgeable reasons he did not want to connect all in one chain,and scientists are looking for chains of course.It is important for all sciences to discuss ideas!Actually discussion in itself -if carried out in a sivilised way is always a good, and can only lead to good.Some small,minor thing from the discussion may lead to grand thinking in theory at least!Anyway,back to evolution.Paradigms in science go through revolutions sometimes and this alter the ruling view-s,however,the content or processes in the previous discussion to support a paradigm of its day may be the necessary part to bring on the new"truth".So as far as I can see,there can be viewpoints diametrical opposite that still supports truth,maybe not the same at the same time,but still truths in one form or another-even if it is just a minor point.If I teach art to amateur groups and to very experienced you would think I was not talking about the same subject!Do not use white-keep it back,leave white and black out altogether etc,to the other-try white even at the first stroke!!!Both may be true depending on the circumstances!So it is with God ,I am sure.He has the right to use the best commentary in the context he is making it,and he knows how to do it.(I am now assuming there is a God)
He also has the right like even any small creator as me(artist)to enjoy the creative prosess!Why should he not-part of this is calculated chance,the detailed result cannot be seen as it is not made,but the very detailed general idea is pretty accurately understood visually,and results although still able to encourage and delight are not out of control nor unplanned.The "mormon God"is not a robot!However,there is plan in all undertaking,and evolutionary processes would be used where seen fit in the creations of the worlds as well,I am sure.Why is it difficult?Oh,yes -Adam- seems a strange one.Why really.God must be allowed to arrange a different development for a special species-man.Their development and evolution prosess of sorts have gone before-before the earth and planets in our system even,they have a different landing on earth planned because of their pre-existence background.The brain is vastly developed,they already have language experience and great communicative experience as well.
They are according to scriptures able to understand and take part in serious democratic prosesses already.
I cannot see why science and religion cannot just discuss freely together and separately and now and then some small detail from either discussion will fall into place and give a better and truer picture of things.As long as we are aware that it is discussion and analyses not to prove wrong but to find truths!In this case all positive sensible research will over time add to the total picture,and all serious religious research and beliefs will in time add also.Still there are for religions certain absolutes,God does exist,but maybe he has not been understood totally.I feel that informed members of the church welcome all research which has the intention of honest research,however,may be not aware that a lot of research is only concerned with trying to prove their paradigm!On the other hand if they did not do this,the test of the paradigm would not happen and a new truth never be promoted!In terms of a critical revolution.Look more at art guys?and see the great width of this area,still all is giving insights.
And one could not do without the other.
Darwins reveolution has provided researchers with "endless"material and it is fantastic in its own right.However,why should it be so difficult to believe that a God Almighty would understand more and that the impossible dis-connections between science and religions maybe do not exist if one views it from another angle.All discussion is good,just do not think any of you knows it all,and moreso written discussion is best!And printed discussion better still so it can be pondered upon in front of TV-we do not want to miss that!!The problem is that science is not discussed enough in details on TV-and maybe it is made too popular when it is...Here is a job for you scientist people.God will be just fine with all of it as long as we don't resort to belittling each other in the name of any belief.
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